Matthew 24:30-35
At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it end is near, right at the door. I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Mark 8:38-9:1
If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.” And he said to them, “I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power.”
Christians say that the Bible is full of fulfilled prophecies. When you really study them you see they are weak. Either they happened at the same time as the author wrote them or backfilled them to fit history or if they were future references they are on the obvious side. No brilliance is required. There is the Daniel one about knowledge increasing and men running to and fro. Every subsequent generation could identify with them. Nothing outstanding. This is a major point. If every generation can identify with the prophecy then it is not truly a prophecy.
The key prophecy is Christ's return for Christians. What else would really matter? For the first generation that heard it they strongly identified with it. You see that clearly through all the books of the New Testament. Paul was discouraging getting married because the TIME WAS AT HAND. Yet that generation passed away and more than a couple of hundred more generations did likewise. This prophecy has failed but no Christian wants to admit it. They are not very good at accepting truth.
So, if you are a Christian reading this name me the strongest prophecy that we can see and validate. Picking Jesus' life is one of those backfilling ones. It could have predicted someone like Horus or Krishna or the dozens of other Messiahs as I talked about previously. Is there one that says at 3pm on January 15, 1987 this or that will happen? That would be a prophecy worth its salt.
I had a discussion over on World Mag and Christian site regarding prophecy and clipped some of the dialogue here
ReplyDeleteVICTORIA,
Bible prophecies are pretty weak.
Either they happened at the same time as the author wrote them or backfilled them to fit history or if they were future references they are on the obvious side. No brilliance is required. There is the Daniel one about knowledge increasing and men running to and fro. Every subsequent generation could identify with them. Nothing outstanding. This is a major point. If every generation can identify with the prophecy then it is not truly a prophecy.
Also Christians have endlessly coming up with text showing that this or that happened because of it. An honest scholar will look at Daniel and Revelation and admit defeat.
The ones we hear today is that Jesus is coming in our lifetime, very soon.
But he told the people listening to him that “THIS generation will not pass away” before they see the Son of Man coming in the clouds. And also some standing there would NOT taste death.
Matthew 24:30-35 & Mark 8:38-9:1
Each generation since Christ, over 200 now, believes it was directed to their times. Sad.
So, what is the best prophecy you would point to?
Victoria reply
ReplyDeleteexminister – 74
“No surprise there. You got a bible harness on.
Bible prophecies are pretty weak.”
Bible prophecies aren’t weak in the least – your problem is, you can’t refute them…. from OT to NT and from the past decades.
The Bible bothers you, and that’s because your standing daily trying to refute GOD’s Word with no success – you aren’t the only one who has come to this blog with every gimmick, and pseudo clever phrase, and posts, to try their hand against the Word – it’s never worked, you most certainly are not the most proficient.
My reply back. I see the moderator is delete comments now. Hopefully I will get the thread
ReplyDelete#103 VICTORIA
Bible prophecies aren’t weak in the least – your problem is, you can’t refute them…. from OT to NT and from the past decades.
I set the challenge by giving you two prophecies that failed thus refuting one and requested you provide me with what you see as the strongest one that we can see.
You couldn’t name one, but simply repeated yourself. Fail.
VICTORIAs response
ReplyDeleteExminister –
Knowledge has increased, that is apparent from every sphere – medicine, technology, being able to use a computer for research at rapid speed, science, agriculture, …. the list is endless.
Has knowledge increased? In the last hundred years it has lept at such speed no one could have ever imagined such a change, however the past 40 plus years the greatest advances have been made which no one could have thought possible. Is that a prophecy fulfilled? YOU BET!
ANOTHER RESPONSE from VICTORIA. I was replying to the one above while she posted this.
ReplyDeletePROPHECY FULFILLED
The Temple and Jerusalem destroyed……that happened.
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. Luke 21:24
Jews would be sent from their land…….that came to pass.
My God will cast them away, because they did not hearken unto him: and they shall be wanderers among the nations. Hosea 9:17
Jews to be persecuted around the world…….that came to pass.
And it shall come to pass, that as ye were a curse among the heathen, O house of Judah, and house of Israel; so will I save you, and ye shall be a blessing: fear not, but let your hands be strong. Zechariah 8:13
Jews would be preserved……..through all their trials they are still here.
Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished. Jeremiah 46:28
Those who hate the Jews would live in their land Israel……..that’s true, they are there.
31 And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savor of your sweet odors.
32 And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it.
33 And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste. Leviticus 26:31-33
Jews lived and scattered around the globe…….yes that’s true.
My God will cast them away, because they did not hearken unto him: and they shall be wanderers among the nations. Hosea 9:17
Jews would once again regain Israel as their rightful home…….and there they are in Israel.
14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
15 But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers. Jeremiah 16:14-15
Today the Jews are back in their own land, ISRAEL. These Prophecies are PROOF as to what was spoken thousands of years ago. You cannot dispute the proof of the Scriptures……….IF you search, you will find, if you listen you will understand, and be blessed to know the TRUTH of God’s Holy Word.
Christ died for all of you, its up to you to believe in the Son of God for Salvation. The Prophecy of Jesus being born and dying, was foretold in Isaiah 53
My reply posting at the same time VICTORIA posted the one above.
ReplyDelete#163. Victoria
That is the one I wrote to you about beforehand and explained. Any generation will feel that way. This is Jeanne Dixon stuff. Knowledge will continue to grow. men will continue to run to and fro. Each generation will think it is smarter and more knowledgeable that the last one. It is a weak prophecy. You couldn’t even mention the one about there will be wars and rumors of wars. Duh! Anybody can see that about humanity.
You are showing me Christians say stuff and believe it is true but don’t know how to back it up or defend it. You need to read the book and not just listen to what the preacher says. He will always put a happy face on it.
Other religions expound weak prophecies as well. Islam says some of the signs of the last days are when orators lie openly, when women become irresponsible for the care of their children, when violence and bloodshed are common, when greed becomes the order of the day, and interestingly when it is hot in winter. The latter is the only one that has some teeth to it. The ones before it are subjective. Any generation can identify with it.
How about Jesus not coming back in the first generation when He said He would? You didn’t even respond to that one.
XION jumps in and posts this
ReplyDelete#155 ExMinister “You are showing me Christians say stuff and believe it is true but don’t know how to back it up or defend it.”
The same can be said for you. You haven’t disproven anything. The sum total of your argument is that you aren’t convinced by what the Bible says and you expect to find extra-biblical evidence which you have deemed to be missing. In other words, your proof is a lack of evidence. That is no proof at all. And so your arguments aren’t convincing anyone here either. So what is your motive?
NJLAWYER also jumps in with this
ReplyDeleteVictoria, your post at 154 about the fulfilled prophecies was good. But don’t waste your time on these guys — it really comes down to a matter of faith. Either they believe Jesus is the Way or they don’t. And you can’t give them faith. That comes from within, their own choice. They evidently choose not to believe.
I reply to all three VICTORIA, XION AND NJLAWYER
ReplyDelete#154, VICTORIA, #158 XION, #159 NJLAWYER,
Interesting no one want to defend Jesus statements about his statement regarding this generation and some of His listeners will not die before he returns.
NJLAWYER (#159) is correct. This faith cannot be defended it comes down to a matter of faith even as Paul said. I need harder evidence. Feel I was given a brain for using. I see only issues with my brain being cryogenically frozen in the Bronze age.
Victoria (#154) picked an interesting example. There might be none better because it is something we can see and not backfilled like the story of Jesus.
Good job.
Israel itself.
The Queen of England under whom Jewish prime minister Disraeli asked him whether or not
there was any proof for the existence of God. Disraeli answered the Queen: “The Jew, your Majesty, the Jew.”
I have been reviewing the timing of Jewish history and the author quoted (Hosea, Jeremiah, Luke)
Hosea 9:17
My God will cast them away, because they did not hearken unto him: and they shall be wanderers among the nations. He was referring to what he saw. Assyrians destruction of the Northern Kingdom, what he calls Samaria and Ephraim, happened in his lifetime. He was assuredly warning Judah. Also this is not a startling prediction because there have been countless human groups wandering among the nations who were persecuted and enslaved. See Diaspora.
Luke 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
The book of Luke was written between 70AD and 130 AD. The 2nd temple was destroyed in 70AD. Another eye witness.
Jeremiah 16:14-15
14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
15 But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.
In his day he would be fully aware of the fall of the Northern Kingdom but it is not certain where he knew of the Babylonian invasion and destruction of the 1st temple. Could he have been predicting the return around 539 BCE when the 2nd temple was dedicated? His direct mention of north makes this more probable than 1948 when they came from all directions.
Why is Israel back to its homeland today? Did God send a Moses and perform many miracles? Did he use a Joshua to take over the land and even stopping the sun one day so he could get some killing done?
No.
It was through the rise of Zionism, Christian nations having many Jews in the political process, the US becoming a superpower, England being a US ally, and the diaspora of the arabs, the state of Israel was established. Let’s call it self-fulfilling prophecy.
If you will, it is no fairy tale – Theodor Herzl, visionary of Zionism.
if you will it, dude, it is no dream – Walter Sobchak
The scary part is many fundamentalist think this area is where Armageddon will occur. Wouldn’t they like to see that happen so Jesus can return? Didn’t Judas betray Jesus to force Jesus to show his power?
NJLAWYER zings back
ReplyDeleteHonestly and truthfully, Exminister, I don’t care what you need. I care what I need. I doubt you are an ex-minister, mainly because of your questions in the last paragraph of #160. A minister would already know the answers to those questions.
But let set ONE thing straight — there is no such thing as a Christian nation. Do you see Jesus running one? I don’t. Never have. You suffer from the age old problem of seeing Jesus Christ through the lens of politics, kinda sorta like Judas. But don’t hang yourself.
Wacko MYTWOSENSE jumps in
ReplyDeleteexmin,
Yes, all of the NT is infallible.
ALL of the WORDS are God’s Words. It is HIS revelation.
ALL statements regarding His coming are part of His LIVING WORD.
AFTER you are sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise, understanding of Biblical passages will begin to become possible for you.
Unfortunately, that is not the case YET.
“As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” (2Pe 3:16)
But, you still have a little time.
Don’t buy the atheist folly.
“And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:” (2Th 2:11)
FINALLY I respond and hopefully am done with this thread is
ReplyDelete#162. NJLAWYER
Christian means a follower of Christ. It doesn’t mean Jesus is in charge. I doubt you are a lawyer. I would expect you to know the difference. Thanks for the advice. I will do what I can not to hang myself. Too funny.
#163. 2cents (2Th 2:11) – so God is the source of my delusion. Interesting. Perhaps he is the source of yours as well. I don’t buy your folly or anyone else’s. I have my own, thank you very much.
It if still exists the thread is
http://online.worldmag.com/2010/03/12/christianity-is-jewish/#comments
Good Lord are they dumb.
ReplyDeleteVICTORIA responds to NJLAWYER
NJLawyer – 161
“Honestly and truthfully, Exminister, I don’t care what you need. I care what I need. I doubt you are an ex-minister, mainly because of your questions in the last paragraph of #160. A minister would already know the answers to those questions.”
BINGO – they trip themselves up if given enough time -
I inform VICTORIA
ReplyDelete#167 Victoria.
Please look up rhetorical question.
I was not asking I was telling.
They refuse to hear anything. Subtly is completely lost on this people.
ReplyDeleteVICTORIA
I wasn’t posting to you – you certainly confuse yourself.
Just to clue you in – NJLawyer is a Lawyer, it’s not surprising that you aren’t able to see it, …. you appear to miss a lot of what is truth.
In frustration they judgement. Dusting the feet is a biblical reference to that Jesus used to tell the non-believer piss off
ReplyDeleteNJLAWYER
I can’t take it, Victoria. There are some people who are just not worth it. It’s time to shake the dust off my feet.
VICTORIA has to chime in like a little gnome
ReplyDeleteNJL – I agree!
A new person responded to my question on Jesus prophecy
ReplyDeleteTJS CATLOVER
Exminister, #71:
Forgive me, but you seem to be playing fast and loose with dates here. AD 161-180? This seems to me a bit outside of the time of Christ. I understand there is a slight discrepancy, (Gregory was apparently mistaken as to the exact year of Christ’s birth), but this is on the order of 3 years, not 120.
Secondly, you say that these people do not mention Christ or miraculous events. You seem to be assuming we have the complete works of all of these figures. I’m willing to bet that this is absolutely not the case.
And then, you assume that Jesus would instantly have made big “news.” Indeed, you later claimed that today, the news would be “viral.” This may be the case, but I’m sure you know that today, we have little things like the internet, television, phones, means of transportation, and in short, absolutely unparalleled access to information and news from around the world. Holding the 1st century AD world to modern standards of communication is beyond ridiculous.
Actually, because of the Roman Empire, Christianity and news of Jesus did spread with rather unprecedented speed and thoroughness.
another from TJS CATLOVER
ReplyDeleteOh, and also, you assume that we must have every applicable source both mention the same thing and agree completely about every detail of that thing in order to verify anything about that thing. This has never happened in the history of the world, and is a standard to which nothing else is held.
another TJS CATLOVER
ReplyDeleteAbout Matthew 24:34: it says right in the notes when I looked this verse up that “generation” can also be read “race.” Also, this verse seems to be related to the next one, which says that “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.” This may suggest that perhaps Jesus was referring to a “generation” not of people, but of the world.
About Mark 9:1: I immediately thought of two things: First, that the Bible often refers to “death” and means the “death” of the spiritual, eternal variety, (perhaps Jesus was saying that some of those listening would be saved?) and second, that “the Kingdom of God come with power” is a bit vague, and could perhaps refer to Christianity’s spread through the Roman world.
Final disclaimer: these are my initial thoughts, and I am not a Greek scholar.
A different person, TRS, chimes in
ReplyDeleteAlso (not having read anything but the last three posts on this thread), “the Kingdom of God come with power” seems as if it could well apply to seeing Jesus rise from the dead, which did happen well within the lifetimes of those standing there. In fact, I’d guess that they all lived to see His resurrection, and that there is little that I can think of which shows God’s Kingdom and power better.
NZLAWYER whose shit don't stink added
ReplyDeleteHadn’t thought of it that way, TRS! Very good.
So I tried to be reasonable for TJS Catlover and wrote
ReplyDelete#181, #183 TJS Catlover. #183 TRS
This takes the teeth out of the prophecy by spiritualizing it or assuming Jesus meant he will come at the end of the world. It is comforting to a believer, but it removes it as something that can be validated. This reminds me of William Miller who had studied the book of Daniel and the Revelation and had concluded that Jesus was going to return on Oct 22, 1844. People sold their worldly good and went up on a mountain in New York state waiting for His return. Then it didn’t happen. Later they spiritualized it by saying that it is when Christ went from the outer sanctuary of the temple in heaven to the inner sanctuary. This the high priest did once a year on Yom Kippur, the day of Judgement. So, they said from that day Jesus in heaven is judging every human being.
So, prophecies are weak that cannot be validated. Of course I understand for a believer that is enough. A matter of faith.
“Fast and loose on the dating”. Yes. Studying how Bible dating is done is not as solid as you might think. We do not have any original Biblical documents and in some cases not the original language the book was written in. So scholars with varying viewpoints study all historical artifacts. They look at a given book of the Bible and see what the book “knows”. They look for references to leader of countries or events like earthquakes, etc. They have other archeological evidence to determine roughly when those leaders lived. In my prior post of ancient literature where Jesus is not mentioned, you can see there are wide date ranges on some authors. It is hard to know. Carbon 14 dating cannot be used because there is no original documents. So after cross referencing all the available data they sit and look at the evidence. Now a fundamentalist/literalist wants to believe that something was prophesied before the event so they go with an earlier date. A non-fundamentalist or someone who looks at the Bible as literature would push the date later, thinking the author could not know otherwise.
So when the prophecy is so close to the actual event it comes down to which side of the fence you want to fall.
An honest Christian would provide full disclosure when they say every Biblical prophecy has been fulfilled. They would say for the believer they all have come true but there is no hard evidence for them or they are meant spiritually. And further note that the Christian community does not entirely agree on what they think each prophecy means particularly Ezekiel, Daniel and the Revelation of John.
and of course VICTORIA has to miss the point
ReplyDeleteexminister
“An honest Christian would provide full disclosure when they say every Biblical prophecy has been fulfilled.”
Who has stated that ” every Biblical prophecy has been fulfilled.” ?
I’ve never heard one Christian Believer say such a thing. Who are they?
Which I tried to point out Gawd knows why
ReplyDelete#187 VICTORIA
Geez. You come up with the craziest things. I had a line in there saying yes I know that some are yet to be fulfilled but every one that could be fulfilled has been without exception,, but I took it out because I figured readers would understand and it would reduce the wordiness. Oh well.
then everyone piled on
ReplyDeleteNZLAWYER
Shake the dust off your feet, Victoria.
VICTORIA
NJL – the dust flew just a short time ago
MYTOOSENSE slammed in with a bunch of post. Here is one for flavor
ReplyDeleteexmin,
God has providentially preserved HIS Word perfect in the Bible. This is true from autographs through apographs. It cannot be otherwise. The original autographs are not needed.
All is God centric.
The preservation of HIS Living Word is nothing short of miraculous. He who inspired His Word, preserves His Word.
“For with God nothing shall be impossible.” (Lu 1:37)
He will be faithful to His Promise..
“Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. (2Pe 3:12-14)
“Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.” (Mr 13:31)
XION
ReplyDeleteThe prophecies in the Bible aren’t geared to please smug skeptics who prance around congratulating themselves about their own intellectual prowess. They are designed specifically to confound such people.
For example, it is easy for skeptics and intellectual snobs to pooh pooh the hundreds of pointers to God’s manifestation in the flesh, but that is precisely the point. Babes filled with the Spirit have no trouble navigating the deep which calls unto deep.
Jesus rejoiced as I do that self-possessed self-infatuated blowhards will one day realize their own error. The wisdom of the ages, of nature and of our own internal spiritual identity will someday be vindicated.
BUZZY came out of nowhere
ReplyDeleteBrothers & Sisters: There is no need to engage scoffers. They are not interested in the truth, but in scoffing. Life will not be awareded according to the bullying spirits of this world, but according to the wisdom of the Most High. There is even a passage in the Bible about such people – First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, ‘Where is this “coming” he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.’ But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance (2 Pet. 3:3-9). From “deliberately forget,” we surmise that their unbelief is willful. Therefore, you will not get anywhere with them through solid proofs or argumentation, although your efforts are an encouragement to all the faithful, as are the Scriptures that Mytoosense quotes, even if they are despised by unbelievers.
more BUZZY
ReplyDeleteThe above is not to suggest that all unbelievers are scoffers. A few who post here are polite and discuss issues in good faith. But we can all tell the difference between them and mere scoffers.
some reason from SCROUP MOTH
ReplyDeleteTherefore, you will not get anywhere with them through solid proofs . .
When Christ returns, every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess, but until then, you cannot prove that He will. You may believe that He’ll come back, but you probably shouldn’t accuse unbelievers of willfully rejecting “proof” of a future event.
Also, unbelievers have a positive defense. Quite a few passages in the NT, if you take them at face value, do indeed seem to predict the time. The implied best-if-used-by date is long past. It’s unfair to blame unbelievers for this embarrassment. They are not the ones insisting that the Bible was written for all times and places.
BUZZY talks to SCROUP MOTH
ReplyDeleteSM – my comments were directed at scoffers, not all unbelievers. As articulated in the passage that I quoted from 2 Peter, these people “willfully forget.” Interestingly, the Bible never says that pagans generally are characterized by forgetfulness, but rather, by a lack of gratitute. Apostates, on the other hand, are characterized by forgetfulness. In my experience, these are the people most likely to have a scoffing attitude, and I really have no interest in conversing with them on theological matters. FWIW, as I’ve said or implied before, I don’t consider you to be a scoffer. My perception is that you post in good faith and I enjoy reading your arguments.
TRS chimes in
ReplyDeleteThis takes the teeth out of the prophecy by spiritualizing it or assuming Jesus meant he will come at the end of the world.
******Uh…didn’t do either.
In my case, I suggested that it was literally fulfilled by the resurrection. Wasn’t “spiritualized” nor deferred. Pretty plain.
Nice way to try to avoid the issue by claiming we said something we didn’t. Is that how you try to win a debate? Just fail to accurately represent what the other side is saying?
But, what else would I expect from an apostate and someone who obviously doesn’t know the Bible as well as the average home school student?
=== and ===
Oh, and TJS Catlover was simply translating the word correctly and suggesting (correctly) that it can also mean “race.” Also not “spiritualizing.” A very plain, reasonable interpretation that takes ALL teeth out of your supposed “problem.”
When there are many plausible interpretations, that do not require hardly even a half-hearted effort to understand, and that make the Bible read with complete accuracy, it takes a very hard-headed and hard-hearted person, who obviously has an agenda, to purposely and regularly take the ONE possible negative interpretation every time.
In total frustration I summarized the above
ReplyDeleteI provided multiple discussion points including the difference between what is an acceptable level of evidence for a believer and non-believer. But instead of discussing the points this happens instead:
VICTORIA needs to say yet again she is going to dust her feet. She has a real problem sticking to that. Good thing NZLAWYER keeps reminding her.
MYTWOSENSE continues to throw out Bible text and no one is listening.
XION reverts to name calling and says God is not interested in intelligence.
BUZZY wants everyone to dust their feet and engages in name calling and doesn’t want to talk to THOSE people going on about exactly who they are.
TRS goes to name calling and belittling.
Kudos to TJS Catlover who was willing to discuss the prophecy in question.
Everybody swarms to comfort themselves that they are OK and have spurned the evil doer. Good job everyone. I am quite impressed with the depth of your faith.
So on your mark, get ready, GO, say it again.
So I should leave it all alone. I have said my peace. But I was right in that some couldn't stop themselves from responding. Also, I am glad to see that TJS Catlover did respond and as you can see from below she is quite reasonable. I am tempted to respond to her and say I appreciate her faith over the other, but they of course would be all pissy. Leaving it alone is probably the strong statement.
ReplyDeleteMYTWOSENSE
ReplyDeleteexmin,
ALL of the Bible is infallible FACT.
Always dump Bible critical information created by the antichrists and sin defenders.
There is reason you’re not listening.
You must be drawn first..
“No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.” (Joh 6:44-45)
Perhaps someday you’ll leave the non-redeemed, note-taking hobby from the bleachers, and come to Christ. THEN insights on the prophetic time table will become possible for youl
TRS
ReplyDeleteTRS goes to name calling and belittling.
******Yet, just who completely misrepresented what TJS Catlover had said and what I had said?
It isn’t name-calling when it is simply pointing out a fact.
TJS Catlover
ReplyDelete“Jesus rejoiced as I do that self-possessed self-infatuated blowhards will one day realize their own error. The wisdom of the ages, of nature and of our own internal spiritual identity will someday be vindicated.”
–Whoa there. I’d say Jesus feels nothing of the sort. He is heartbroken that people reject Him, not happy that they are damned for their choice. Nor am I. And if you need to be vindicated by their damnation, then you’re doing something wrong. Please, rephrase or rethink what you’re saying here.
Victoria, NJL: I’m beginning to be seriously sorry that verse ever came up. No one is forcing you to continue any sort of discussion. And it serves no purpose (other than to let us all know how holy and righteously angry you are, which I hope is not your motive) to continually post about how you’re shaking dust off your feet. Besides, the verse doesn’t really apply. It was about the apostles who didn’t receive welcome. It was not about blogs where a poster is annoyed by opposing arguments. If anything, it should be taken as a reminder to be welcoming.
We can do better than all that, anyway. Think about it: we believe Christianity is right. Whatever Exminister or anyone else brings up can only be helpful. Personally, I believe that since it is right, there is an answer for anything that fits with Christianity. And I’d like to know what’s out there, so that I can figure out how to answer it.
2 Timothy 2:24 for future confrontational people
ReplyDelete24 And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.
25 Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will