Showing posts with label Pascals Wager. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Pascals Wager. Show all posts

Wednesday, August 31, 2011

Resistance Is Futile



He ends with "You get what you focus on"

Thursday, July 14, 2011

Outsider's Test of Faith


The presuppositionalist argues Scripture cannot be judged since it is the judge of all things. We are born in sin and God choose us and never the other way around. You have to be an insider. If he doesn't pick you too bad for you. You cannot understand. You mind is useless to understand.

We are all atheist, we just reject one more god than you do.

Examine your own faith with the same level of skepticism you use when examining the other faiths you reject

Friday, June 3, 2011

Quotes about Religion

Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration - courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth. - Henry Mencken

Good people can do good and bad people can do evil. But for good people to do evil -- that takes religion. - Steven Weinberg

Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. - Blaise Pascal

The latter one is quite interesting since he is known for his wager, bet on god and believe that he is and if he is, you gain all, if he does not, you lose nothing, which is a totally fallacy. You lose a lot like just remove science which religion is ready to do and promote ignorance. How is it he recognized the evil of religion and still said it is safer to believe? Slimy bugger.

Tuesday, September 7, 2010

Pascal's Wager part 3 of 3

Paul of the Bible does not agree with Pascal regarding you have nothing to lose if you believe in God. He states that if his God, Jesus, is not who he said he was then he and his fellow believers are to be pitied more than all men.


1 Corinthians 15:12-19

But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.

Monday, September 6, 2010

Pascal's Wager part 2 of 3

Here is a great reply to Pascal's Wager as found on RRS.

Hey, Bud! Thanks for your thoughts. When you sent your notice of pity, it would have been a lot more helpful had you mentioned which God I should avoid being screwed by.

There’s Allah whom the Muslim vehemently deny is triune; who say that Jesus is just a prophet, who say your Bible has been corrupted and so on. They give evidence from ancient history, science, archeology, Greek and Hebrew, Christian scholars, the early church fathers and the Bible itself to support their claim.


Or, how about the Jews. They say that Jesus at best was a good (if not problematic) Jewish Rabbi, but not the Messiah and certainly not God. They give evidence from ancient history, science, archeology, Greek and Hebrew, Christian scholars, the early church fathers and the Bible itself to support their claim.


Or, how about the Mormons who say that there are a multitude of gods and we can become one through acts like believing in their holy books and that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. They give evidence from ancient history, science, archeology, Greek and Hebrew, Christian scholars, the early church fathers and the Bible itself to support their claim.


Or, how about the Jehovah’s witnesses who deny the trinity also. They say that Jesus was just a man and that the holy spirit is Jehovah’s active force. They say he is not omnipresent, that we are annihilated and not condemned to Hell and that Jesus has already come secretly. They give evidence from ancient history, science, archeology, Greek and Hebrew, Christian scholars, the early church fathers and the Bible itself to support their claim.


Even the Roman Catholic Church, who while saying they have the same God as you, say also that you can by God’s grace (through the sacraments and other good works) earn salvation. They believe such go to Purgatory when they die and one should do nearly every act of worship toward Mary that you do to Jesus, just don’t call it worship. They give evidence from ancient history, science, archeology, Greek and Hebrew, Christian scholars, the early church fathers and the Bible itself to support their claim.


It seems partner that “god” has “left you without a witness.” Anyway you slice it, you are just as screwed as I am! But don’t worry! Look at these passages:

Deuteronomy 20:10-17 "When you draw near a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And if its answer to you is peace and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labour for you and shall serve you. But if it makes no peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it; and when the Lord your God gives it into your hand you shall put all its male to the sword, but the women and the little ones, the cattle, and everything else in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourself; and you shall enjoy the spoil of your enemy, which the Lord God has given to you. Thus you shall do to all the cities which are far from you, which are not cities of the nations here. In the cities of these people that the Lord your God gives you an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes but you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittites and the Amoriotes, the Canaanites and the Jebusites, as the Lord your God has commanded."

Deuteronomy 7:2 "and when the Lord your God gives then [the enemies] over to you, and you defeat them; then you must utterly destroy them; you shall make no covenant with them, and show no mercy to them..."

Numbers 31:7, 17 They warred against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and slew every male…[Moses said to them] "... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man by lying with him..."

I Samuel 15:1-3 And Samuel said to Saul, "The LORD sent me to anoint you king over his people Israel; now therefore hearken to the words of the LORD. Thus says the LORD of hosts, `I will punish what Am'alek did to Israel in opposing them on the way, when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and smite Am'alek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.'"

II Kings 2:23-24 He [Elisha] went up from there to Bethel; and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, "Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!" And he turned around and when he saw them, he cursed them in the name of the Lord. And two she-bears came out from the woods and tore forty-two of the boys.

Looks like we didn’t have to worry about God being all that loving after all.

Sunday, September 5, 2010

Pascal's Wager part 1 of 3

Pascal born June 19, 1623 and died August 19, 1662 (age 39), was a French philosopher. He might have made some contributions but his legacy is his wager or gambit. If there is a God and you worship him you have all to gain, but if you don't you lose everything and burn in hell. If there is no God and you worship him you lose nothing. It is as it states a bet, a hustler's bet. Christians like to use it. They have said it to me. But if God wants a faker worshipping him over an honest person then he is not a God I would want to live with. It seems quite immoral. But this cartoon highlights that worshipping a God that doesn't exist does not come without costs.


Here is the website where I found the cartoon.